On October 22, Nadia Murad joined Oprah Winfrey on The Oprah Podcast to discuss I Choose My Beginning and the decade since The Last Girl. Human rights lawyer Amal Clooney, Nadia’s longtime partner in the pursuit of justice for Yazidi survivors, joined them to look back on a decade of work together.

Oprah and Nadia talked about the difference between surviving and healing, and about the expectations placed on survivors who speak out. Nadia described being told to wear only black, to give up makeup, and that love and marriage had no place in a life of advocacy. That pressure to give up a life of her own, she explained, is why the book is called I Choose My Beginning.

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